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Another week/month and another article why Push Square doesn't understand why people hate live service games.
It's not the genre as a whole it is the way most of these games ARE SET UP in a way to squeeze the last euro out of the gamer. Unfinished games on release, drip feeding content, broken updates, lack of support, missable content, ... The list keeps going.
Also: people don't have the time to grind a game for hours on end every day just to get somewhere in a game. And yet that is where these games put their focus on. To put gameplay mechanics in these games that practically forces people to buy mtx.
I'm already scared for GT8 and especially for GTA VI.
And to be honest: the frustration against live service games will keep growing.

Just cancel the game already. And Fairgames too

It's ridicolous we even have to pay to be able to play online in the first place. Essential more than enough for me. I see Sony changing the use of the cloud storage to minimum extra tier in the future just to knock-out more money out of our pockets.

If they put the people that are working on a remake/PS5 version of GTA IV, GTA VI could release this year. I got platinum for GTA IV but have no intention to replay that game.

Seems lots of people are not hyped/interested. Yet this game will sell like hot cakes. I am very excited for thus game, can't wait. Just a shame it's still a year (possibly longer?) away from release. Personally i'm getting a nostalgic Vice City feeling when i watch the trailers, although in modern days. The atmosphere will be out of this world.
Like others mentioned: i want to see an upgrade to the weapons wheel. GTA games have always felt clunky. The same for the Max Payne series. As for the multiplayer side: maybe i'll invest more time it it with GTA VI then i did with V.
Another thing i'm concerned is how smooth the transition will be to play the mp. But yes, i'm very hyped for this game!

It's because they can and people would still buy it. Just look at the amount of people buying the 30 euro Blackcell season pass each season. Bundles for 20-30 euro. It's the gamers feeding these companies, nothing more.

Most PS gamers want full singleplayer games and not another live service BS game.
Coupled with the fact that you have to pay again to be able to play this game that will have minimal content on release. Plus the stupid earnings model were you have to pay for added battle/season passes for meaningless content.

I wish we could back in time were we paid for a fully complete game on release with a sp +mp in it and without a day one nonsens patch that breaks the game. And then later on GOOD DLC's are added.

This is the reason why people are so toxic about the next live-service game. In times were money is tight, everything gets more expensive and the fact that you only get a half assed game on release, people have the right to complain.

People can do with their money what they want, but me personally, i am not a bit interested in this game.

@YoureTooSlowBro
So what does this mean? I can play the entire game solo (career?)? But i still have to be connected online to even be able to play the game? Correct?

Hope it's the next Concord game. Away with this live-service crap!

First of all: this SoP was good. Alot of games to keep an eye on. However: it's clear that since the beginning of the PS5 era there is a big difference in what Sony is pursuing and what most of the PS community wants. Sony increased their PS+ prices, they increased the cost for buying a PS console, existing PS+ customers can no longer renew their subscriptions with discounts, they temporarily removed the ability to turn in your PS Stars points for credits and they put an infinite of resources in flopped/mediocre live-service games that nobody wants, designed to squeeze every penny out of the gamer. They canceled TLOU Online, now they didnt want to make another Resistance game... Now we are getting another remaster for a game that wasn't even good when it released, but now that it is trending Sony wants to yet again try to let you pay money for the same game a second time. It all became one money grab and yes companies need to make money. But the love for games and creating games for people is gone. Now it's all calculated, one of the reasons we don't see games anymore 2 years before release.

GTA VI trailer?

There should be a law that forbids games to be online only. That's the real BS. Outage of servers/network can always happen. But not being able to play your games because they require a constant online connection is infuriating. Couldn't play GT7. Couldn't even play the BO6 campaign if i wanted to. It's fine if the multiplayer component of a game is temporarily not available but not being able to access the rest of your game is just unacceptable.

I told you so!! Very happy with this news. Can't wait for the news that they cancelled Fairgames. Another pointless live service game designed to milk money out of gamers. Hopefully this means a change in course for Sony but also a change in general for the gaming scene. People are tired and fed up with all the shady business models for games. I can't stand live service games. Yet people keep buying 30 dollar skins in Call of Duty and Fifa packs in Fifa. Why i ask myself? Just give your money to poor people and help them instead of wasting money on digital items that are worthless the next day.

@Nepp67 tf you are talking about? CoD cannot be compared to BF. 2 different games. And yes after BO2 is where things went the wrong direction.

@Nepp67 Wauw: how old are you? MW19 was the start of the downfall of the CoD franchise. The start of full SBMM/EOMM, way too expensive skins/battlepasses and gameplay catered for noobs. If you follow the CoD scene then this news is just the tip of the iceberg. Activision is the most scummiest and worst company ever.

@Almost_Ghostly I'm in EU, and must have chosen my words poorly. It's indeed about the latest firmware what i meant. Still, Sony has taken some weird decisions lately, and i wouldn't be surprised if this was a thing that is coming in the future.

@Almost_Ghostly off course. The Explore Tab is only available for a few select users in the world for the moment. It has to roll out for the rest of the world in the coming month(s).

Immediately donated 10000 euro. Not.

This was intentional. I advise you all to look up the video Mystic made about this. He launches Helldivers II after a while not playing and when he closed the game, his screen immediately turned into the last DLC expansion. As i said before: the discussion is that those "ads" were always already there, yet they were/are tucked a little bit further down in the game page on the UI. The problem is if is Sony is going to show ads instead of the art of the game that is currently showing on your PS5. So no, i don't want that *****.

Think most people don't get it here why there's fuss around this. The "ads" are already there if you go down under your whatever game. Now it just covers up the artwork of a game with stupid news nobody wants to see. I really hope Microsoft comes with something special in 2026, and Sony will fall damn hard from their Mountain.

It was sold out at one point. So this means they either had more stock or they just let people preorder to have a number for consoles they need to produce. Anyway: this is actually how it should be. More than enough stock so people can preorder or buy a console whenever they want. Done with the stupid mass queue line on a website that crashes and done with the scalpers who thought the Pro would be scarce just like the base PS5. I think the launch for PS6 will be different again, because it's technically a new console.

I still need to play both Horizon games and i plan on doing that on the PS5Pro. They should have continued factions 2 and people would have looked at a whole different way at Sony their live service games. It's hoing to be curious to see if Horizon online will be popular. It will definitely do better than Concord. But releasing a live service game that people don't really want in a year where GTA VI, Ghost of Yotei, Monster Hunter Wilds, Death Stranding 2 will release... I don't know...

Well, good you decided to have fun with it yourself. That's why we buy these things in the first place, not?

@jrt87 Well for the PSP that's a collectors item that isn't supported anymore with games. So trying to sell it now will only attract people who want to grow or complete their collection. Those people also know the value of such things, so i doubt they will offer more money.
That's why i'm saying that these limited editions are not worth it. If you need to store an item for 10-15 years to only gain 1k euro/pond, you are better off investing your money in something else.

@get2sammyb Game Mania went bankrupt in Belgium and one of the items was a 20th anninversary PS4 people could bid on. It went for +-1500 euro's. Granted unboxed. But that tells me enough. These limited editions aren't worth it. I also don't get why Sony keeps releasing these things. You only end up with frustrated customers who didn't get it. I would argue it would be better if Sony did a lotery between all the PSN accounts would sign up who want one. That way it's at least fair and it puts scalpers out of business.

I somehow preorderd the normal PS5Pro which i wanted. I was in the first batch (Belgium), but up to three times the payment didn't went through. Until i linked Paypal to my account and 2 hours after the initial launch!!! i could order a PS5Pro and got a confirmation mail from Sony in my inbox. A couple moments later the site says currently not available... In Belgium (EU i guess) you can only order the Edge controller and Portal for the moment.

I missed the times when on release you could just walk in to the store and buy one. I had the Pro in my cart and payment failed up to three times. (Belgium). BS

@OldGamer999

Thanks. Will it happen at midnight? I don't know..

@jrt87 thanks man. I saw that post, want to order one tomorrow but probably have no chance getting one. I just want the regular Pro btw.

Cool. But what time can we preorder the PS5Pro in Europe?

Cool. But what time can we preorder the PS5Pro in Europe?

So do i have to sit out the 25th until midnight to even have a chance of ordering a Pro? Or will there be specific times on the 26th?

It can fail just as hard as Concord or even harder as far as i'm concerned. We don't need another live service game that is shutdown in 6 months. Sony needs to go back to making great singleplayer games and stop forcing us this live service crap. Another really disappointing State of Play incoming...

Good needed update. Although you can already start to see the shift to newer models. Adaptive charging is not available for a base PS5.

So any tips for locking in a PS5Pro via PS Direct? I never ordered anything through there. Just added my adress to save some time with the checkout. How does the Queue thingy work? Will i need to be online at 26sep 00:00hr? Or would it be possible to order a console through the day?

@OldGamer999 Yet Sony keeps increasing their prices for everything. PS5Pro in little then an hour will be announced at 700 euro non disc version.

@breakneck which reminds me i still need to pick up Spider-Man 2 sometime when it's in sale again. Maybe at the end of the year there will be good sales including this one.

All i can say is, buy this game. It's worth your 60-70euros. For all those complaining that the PS5 era is lacking in good games.. Well this is a fantastic game. Yes it'sonly 12-15 hours long, but DLC is confirmed.
Also don't expect the price to come down soon. This is one of those games that is always going to have a relatively high price because of the status of this game. I specifically remember waiting for Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart to come down in price, because face it, that game is only 10 hours long for 70 euro. But i bought it a year after release in sale for 50 euro which is not exactly a fantastic deal.

@IMustardMitt I would like to know also. I think the article mentions that you can race against AI, but how does that work in this game? I always thought races filled up with human players. I was interested in the game, but once i heard it was only online and there is no campaign, it put me off.

Live service?? The only thing here is that ASOBI properly marketed and supported their game(s). More developers should take an example of this instead of always trying to milk money from people. Live service games are what society is nowadays: i want lots for doing nothing. Instead ASOBI now have a fantastic bonding with their community and if there is ever a sequel coming out, people will be all over it. All without trying to nickle and dime their customers. Heck, maybe they bring out DLC for Astro Bot later, and i'll happily pay for it. Because it is called DLC and it adds value to the game. None of this cosmetich skin bs that devs asked 20 or more euros for!!

Finished the first world and finding all bots and puzzles. But what about that song in Crash Site... 🥰🥰

Are there any Concord Bots in it?

@Concord: close the door when you get out. And oh: say hi to Destruction Allstars en Foamstars. Marathon and Fairgame$ will join you soon!

Live service games are over. It's not the game itself, it's just the genre. Even Warzone CoD is losing players every year, same for Apex Legends.
People are tired of these games because of the monetization that is behind those games. Sony took the last year only greedy decisions. They upped the prices for PS+ with nothing really to show for it. They reduced the limits for using your points from Playstation Stars to 1 year. They upped the prices for their games. PS5Pro if rumors are correct will not launch under 600 euros without a disc drive!!! If you want a disc drive you have to pay extra. Every eurocent is being squeezed out of the gamer these days. It's just beyond frustrating. Yet they keep delivering half assed games on release with a promise to fix it in the course of the game's lifecycle.

Honestly making Concord F2P would not have helped if you see the example of Destruction Allstars and Foamstars who both were free with PS+. People just don't want those games.

Now Sony can take lessons and up their prices for games again to 80/90 euro to recover for their losses. But eventually they will price themself out of the market.

It's a shame but we as a gamer have to acknowledge the fact that Sony just became a greedy company and thinks they can get away with everything and that the gamers just will swallow anything with a PS logo on it.

They even tried it with Gran Turismo 7. They will eventually destroy even this franchise. Putting microtransactions in a game just to squeeze out every last euro out of you. Said it before, i know.

Where are the days when you got a decent game on release, full of content, bug free and fun to play. Singleplayer and a multiplayer on top of it. And then somewhere down the line nice new DLC with decent content i happily pay for. Now it's just fire and forget-games.

If they would have put the same budget in TLOU online for example, they would have had a fantastic live service game. As is said before, they have the franchises to make great live service games, but they refuse to invest in them. If they would make a very decent Socom game, with seasons, battle passes, new skins, new maps, maybe bring back maps from the old Socom games, make sure you can party up with 4 or 6 friends to play 4vs4 or 6vs6, man it would be able to compete with CoD and Fortnite, Apex Legends and so on.

The only way forward for Sony it's to pull the plug in the development cycle for Marathon and Fairgame$. I'm guessing those will flop just as hard as Concord and it will put Sony in devastating situation.

Best decision they could make. It should never return either. Astro Bot is what i'll be playing on friday. Hopefully Sony learns a lesson and pulls out the plug for Marathon and Fairgame$ before those games have the same faith. At least for me i'm not buying those game, i have no interest in them at all.

@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare Maybe, but it's still the fact that Sony owns those franchises and it maybe would cost less to make a good game with those known IP's. The games environment has indeed changed, reason more why Sony SHOULD listen to their fanbase and be more careful were they spend their resources on. Making 12 GaaS games to compensate for the lack of singleplayer games currently was not a good move in my opinion. Prices are going up and now there is the debate wether or not prices for games should go up once again. Yeah, maybe they can do that, until they price themselves out of the market. Gaming in general is a luxe hobby and with people have more and more problems these days to pay the bills, gaming is one of the first hobbies to go or to spend less money on. Covid sprinkled sand in the eyes of everyone that works in the gaming industry. Times were people have the time and or money to spend on games are passed, yet gaming companies still try to milk every last penny out of the gamer. People are tired to pay for half decent games, day one updates and monetization of gameplay aspects. Give us back full games with the option of (paying) DLC and i personally would be willing to spend more than 70 euro on a new game.

@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare you want to complain about the lack of SP games? They pumped 300million and 8 years in a live service game that literally nobody wants. Could have had a few very good SP games for that money and time.
Sony is looking for a holy grail live service game, but failing big time. They also thought they could get away with putting a 40euro/dollar tag on Concord. People are tired of the scummy business models of live service games.
Sony also ignores the fact that they HAVE franchises to succeed in live service games. Yet they refuse to make those games. Cancelling TLOU Online, cancelling Twisted Metal, they have Socom, Horizon, Resistance... Man people would be all over those games!!

@Johnnycide Agreed. Now hopefully Fairgame$ and Marathon are a disaster too.

@Ainu20 I understand what you are saying. That's why i think F2P now is not the way to go. I just think they should take their loss and continue on (Sony), instead of making things worse.

@Ainu20 it is a slap in their face. People who bought the game were very much aware that the game could flop. Yet they still gave 40 dollar for the game. And now because of low player count suddenly everyone can play it for free? And sorry but i don't think it will improve the amount of players. Maybe for a little bit but this game won't last 6 months.

@riceNpea they tried to shutdown PS3 store. Changed the PS+ system, now not being able to renew your existing abo with reduction unless you upgrade. Now they changed PS Stars. Points only last a year instead of 2 years. Not very consumer-friendly in my book.